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diff --git a/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-log-20080306.txt b/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-log-20080306.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..acda721 --- /dev/null +++ b/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-log-20080306.txt @@ -0,0 +1,518 @@ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:30:29] <Philantrop> !herd kde +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:30:31] <jeeves> Philantrop: (kde) caleb, carlo, cryos, deathwing00, genstef, ingmar, jmbsvicetto, keytoaster, masterdriverz, mattepiu, philantrop, tgurr, zlin +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:30:32] <Philantrop> ping ^^^ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:30:37] <Ingmar> evening :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:30:38] <deathwing00> pong +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:30:50] <zlin> :> +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:31:14] <ctennis> ctennis == caleb +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:31:19] <tgurr> meh +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:31:24] <Philantrop> ctennis: Yes, thanks, I know. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:31:32] <ctennis> just making sure everyone else did :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:32:05] <keytoaster> bzzzzz +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:32:09] * gentoofan23 guessed +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:33:02] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto, masterdriverz, genstef around? :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:33:11] * cryos|laptop had no clue... +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:33:22] Mode ChanServ gives channel operator privileges to deathwing00. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:33:28] Mode deathwing00 gives channel operator privileges to you. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:33:34] Mode deathwing00 gives masterdriverz the permission to talk. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:34:20] <Philantrop> Ok, let's start guys! :-) First on the agenda is the bump to 3.5.9 which was somewhat, bumpy... ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:34:24] Mode deathwing00 gives ctennis the permission to talk. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:34:44] <Philantrop> deathwing00: Thanks, but this will be open floor anyway. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:34:50] <deathwing00> ok +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:35:29] <Philantrop> We have one major issue open: Split and monotlithic ebuilds. Split ebuilds depend hard on split dependencies and won't accept monolithic ebuilds. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:35:45] <Philantrop> Some of us want to change that, some others don't. Your opinions? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:36:33] <gentoofan23> Well, doesn't it depend on the program? Some could do a || dep on split/monolithic and some can't, right? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:37:25] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: No, not really as basically any monolithic ebuild would install what its split packages would. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:37:43] <Philantrop> But we're talking about kde-base/* only here. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:38:10] <deathwing00> My opinion is that we should opt to drop monolithic ebuilds for the following reasons: 1) Applying security fixes and patches to a split ebuild implies less development and maintenance effort, which in turn 2) implies less compilation on users and 3?) if I remember correctly KDE 4 was going to drop monolithic components (how's that by the way?) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:38:46] <keytoaster> ++ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:38:48] <Ingmar> KDE 4 has had them dropped already +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:38:53] <Philantrop> !bug 211116 +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:38:55] <jeeves> Philantrop: https://bugs.gentoo.org/211116 maj, P2, All, infoman1985@gmail.com->kde@gentoo.org, REOPENED, pending, kde-base/*-3.5.9 split packages can't be mixed with kde-base/*-3.5.9 monolithic packages. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:38:55] <jeeves> Philantrop: https://bugs.gentoo.org/211116 maj, P2, All, infoman1985@gmail.com->kde@gentoo.org, REOPENED, pending, kde-base/*-3.5.9 split packages can't be mixed with kde-base/*-3.5.9 monolithic packages. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:39:15] <Philantrop> ^^^ That's the bug. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:39:29] <Ingmar> but I disagree, dropping monolithic :3.5 ebuilds is a regression imho, besides, some slow arches only have those keyworded, and I see no reason to force a change upon them on a version of KDE that's getting EOL'ed soon +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:40:12] <tgurr> mixing splits and monolithic was never supported by us anyways, was it? possible yes.. sadly :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:40:15] <zlin> I'm with Ingmar on this one +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:40:31] <Philantrop> I'd like to keep it the way it is as only a few users even complained and most jsut switched to split ebuilds. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:40:49] * Philantrop scribbles two names into his little black book... ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:40:55] <Ingmar> well, other users apparently care enough to attach a partial patch +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:03] <deathwing00> we are not planning on offering monolithic ebuilds on KDE 4, are we? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:04] <zlin> tgurr: it used to be possible through the eclasses. 3.5.9 uses EAPI=1 and thus doesn't use those eclass functions anymore... +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:11] <Philantrop> deathwing00: Nope. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:17] <jmbsvicetto> pong +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:20] <jmbsvicetto> sorry, just got home +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:22] <Ingmar> and it doesn't make sense for a user that kdebase + kdenetwork works, but kdebase + kopete doesn't +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:30] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: No problem. Thanks for being here. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:36] <gentoofan23> I object as some boxes I maintain use monolithic and it'd be a huge pain to switch to split. I imagine many others would feel pain to +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:48] <Ingmar> and that's a good point too +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:49] <deathwing00> If we are to not provide it on KDE 4, we can let it be for now, I guess +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:41:55] <Ingmar> converting = lots of useless work +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:42:15] <zlin> gentoofan23: the problem is mixing. not all splits or all monos. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:42:34] <deathwing00> make all splits block all monos and vice-versa +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:42:52] <zlin> that's essentially what we have now +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:42:58] <deathwing00> "you want a full mono, you got -meta" +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:43:06] <deathwing00> I agree on that one +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:43:35] <deathwing00> zlin: is it correctly implemented or are we missing something? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:43:46] <Philantrop> Ok, let's try a slightly different approach - is anyone here willing to change what we have now? :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:43:59] * Philantrop looks at Ingmar and zlin. *g* +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:44:32] <deathwing00> we can sort of vote if necessary +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:44:36] <Ingmar> Guess that means that I'll do it +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:44:49] <Ingmar> Sure you can vote, but unless you convince me *not* to do it, it's going to happen though :> +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:45:18] Join mikb has joined this channel (n=mikb@c211-31-30-148.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au). +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:45:19] <deathwing00> Ingmar: I missed something in here... what is gonna happen? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:45:20] <Philantrop> deathwing00: Well, I've already recorded opinions. At the moment, we're stuck at 2:2 but if Ingmar volunteers, why not. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:45:37] <deathwing00> Philantrop: ok, got it +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:45:43] Quit mikb has left this server (Client Quit). +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:45:53] <zlin> \o/ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:45:54] <Philantrop> deathwing00: What Ingmar wants to do is allowing users to mix 3.5.9 splits and monos again. I'm not too strongly against it. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:46:02] <Ingmar> It's simply stupid to force monolithic users to switch +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:46:38] <Philantrop> Ingmar: Well, considering that they will have to switch for KDE4 anyway, it wouldn't be too bad, I think, but since you volunteered... :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:46:43] <zlin> arfie's patch shows what's we want to change.. might not be complete but you get the idea... +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:46:48] <jmbsvicetto> As I've told others before, I agree that the problems caused by mixing splits/monos is reason enough to have splits hard dep on split +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:47:11] <jmbsvicetto> But if Ingmar wants to support it, let him +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:47:27] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Well, a thing Ingmar brought up elsewhere, we might run into even more bug reports now. :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:47:39] <jmbsvicetto> Ingmar: If anyone else is willing to help you, you might want ot use an overlay to do that work +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:47:45] <deathwing00> Philantrop: so who is 'yeah' and who is 'nay'? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:48:15] <jmbsvicetto> deathwing00: I'm a yeay/neah ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:48:20] <deathwing00> hehe +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:48:30] * gentoofan23 isn't sure if he can vote, so he abstains. :). That's rather paradoxical though +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:48:36] <Philantrop> deathwing00: I've recorded you as "nay" to mixing, me too, jmbsvicetto undecided. Ingmar and zlin "yay". :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:48:44] <deathwing00> ok +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:48:51] * cryos|laptop is nay... +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:48:54] <deathwing00> jmbsvicetto: decide already +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:49:17] <Philantrop> cryos|laptop: Just to be sure: "Nay" to mixing splits and monos in 3.5.9? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:49:23] <cryos|laptop> Yep +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:49:23] <jmbsvicetto> Ingmar: If you do that work on an overlay, I can try to help on "a few" ebuilds - no promises though +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:49:45] <Philantrop> cryos|laptop: Thanks, noted. Anything you could add to make Ingmar see the light? ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:50:16] <cryos|laptop> Philantrop: Just that it really does not seem worth the effort, we looked at this in the beginning when splits were introduced.. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:50:26] <jmbsvicetto> deathwing00: My view is that allowing that is a good thing, but I understand if we decide otherwise. In any case, I can't commit that to the tree. I can try to help on an overlay though +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:50:48] <zlin> carlo is clearly a "yay" too and it was supported till 3.5.8 +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:50:52] <cryos|laptop> If he wants to do it I think he should try it but I wouldn't spend my time trying to fix that personally. It seems tough to get it right and I wonder where the pay off is. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:51:27] * cryos|laptop has been largely AFK in recent months though - desktop in a US customs area in New York still :-( +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:51:46] <Philantrop> cryos|laptop: That's annyoing. :-( +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:52:04] <Philantrop> Ok, se can we settle this by saying Ingmar may fix it if he wants? :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:52:05] <deathwing00> I have another argument that you could consider, if we add this for 3.5.9 and then it exists no longer to KDE 4, won't the users be forced into monolithic anyway? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:52:14] <cryos|laptop> Yeah - delays, delays and more delays. Do have my Gentoo laptop working with KDE4 and 3.5.9 though. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:52:26] <Philantrop> deathwing00: To split ebuilds, yes. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:52:37] <Philantrop> cryos|laptop: At least something. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:52:48] <deathwing00> Philantrop: yeah, that's what I meant +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:52:52] <zlin> deathwing00: that's a different SLOT though so it doesn't matter all that much imo +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:52:59] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: I agree with that +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:53:15] Quit ZeRoX has left this server (Client Quit). +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:53:19] <jmbsvicetto> IIRC, the move forward is another point on this discussion +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:53:32] <deathwing00> zlin: I understand, but it might be a needless effort, we could focus our efforts elsewhere, m¢ :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:53:39] <Philantrop> Ok, final call for violent objections against Ingmar changing it. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:53:48] <deathwing00> no veto here +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:54:07] <zlin> deathwing00: that just means it's low priority.. :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:54:16] <deathwing00> zlin: agreed +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:54:22] <Philantrop> Ok, any other points that should be brought up for the past 3.5.9 version bump? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:55:10] <Philantrop> Ok, topic 2: KDE 3.5.8 is stable now and will be in the 2008.0 release. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:55:10] <gentoofan23> I have a point(slightly related). Is there anything wrong with keeping the old stable around a little longer(3.5.7 specifically)? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:55:34] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: Well, what's wrong with removing it after a newer one has gone stable? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:56:15] Join ZeRoX has joined this channel (n=zerox@nelug/developer/zer0x). +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:56:16] <Ingmar> Well, we don't intend to support 5 versions of KDE +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:56:38] <gentoofan23> Philantrop: Stable users only had 19 days(iirc) to upgrade before 3.5.7 got booted. It bit me in that I needed to install a specific aspect of Kde and only 3.5.8 was available. So I had to upgrade all of kdelibs,base to get that new portion +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:57:11] <zlin> given that we have a newer version which we know is way better, fixes tons of bugs and noone neither upstream nor downstream want to support the old version... +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:57:26] <gentoofan23> Ingmar: I'm not suggesting that, I'm suggesting keeping it around a bit longer. 19 days is a little short +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:57:30] <Ingmar> I honestly don't see why we'd keep old stable versions around when never, better stable ebuilds are available +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:57:33] <Ingmar> it isn't +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:57:42] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: Well, yes, I would have thought two weeks were enough to update. It was even for my old Alpha workstation with 233 MHz. :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:58:16] <gentoofan23> eh, I was a little busy. but granted that, I concede my point I guess +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:58:22] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: What would have been long enough for you? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:58:35] <Philantrop> (Under normal circumstances.) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:58:41] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: This falls down to the discussion between maintainers/ats about whether old working versions shold be kept around or not +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:58:55] <gentoofan23> Philantrop: maybe 45 days? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:07] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: How about 30? :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:15] * Philantrop emulates a bazaar. ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:19] <gentoofan23> Philantrop: even that'd be ok I guess +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:19] <deathwing00> 30 sounds more reasonable to me +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:25] Join NeddySeagoon has joined this channel (n=NeddySea@gentoo/developer/NeddySeagoon). +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:25] Mode ChanServ gives NeddySeagoon the permission to talk. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:30] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: I agree that for maintainers it makes sense to kick old versions - in particular for a project with as many ebuilds as kde +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:30] <gentoofan23> 19 is rather unreasonable to me. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:41] <deathwing00> yay to 30 days by me then +[Do Mär 6 2008] [20:59:54] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: That's why we did it, indeed. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:00:08] <gentoofan23> hey, Kubuntu is still supporting a KDE from 3 years ago :-P +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:00:08] <Philantrop> And Ingmar stole all those commits from me! ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:00:19] <jmbsvicetto> hehe +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:00:38] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: 30 days are ok then? :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:00:40] <Ingmar> So next time Philantrop will be so pressed to get thsoe commits, it won't even be 19 days :> +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:00:57] <gentoofan23> Philantrop: yeah, it should be. Of course, I don't use mips :p +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:01:21] <jmbsvicetto> gentoofan23: It doesn't matter anymore. mips has gone the unstable road +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:01:35] <gentoofan23> jmbsvicetto: Oh yes, that is true +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:01:37] <Philantrop> Ok, anything else on the bump or 3.5.8 in the upcoming release? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:01:49] <jmbsvicetto> gentoofan23: From now on, mips needs to keyword a version at least until everyone marks it stable +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:02:00] <Ingmar> they already did +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:02:03] <Ingmar> monolithic 3.5.9 +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:02:10] <jmbsvicetto> Ingmar: ok +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:02:11] * Philantrop sobs +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:02:21] * Philantrop sees his ebuilds tainted. ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:02:30] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:02:31] <Ingmar> or he didn't, but he's going to, any time soon :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:03:01] <Philantrop> Ok, anything else on the bump or 3.5.8 in the upcoming release? (Final call) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:03:31] <Philantrop> Great. gentoofan23 already brought up topic 3 - Removal of KDE < 3.5.8 from the tree. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:04:02] <Philantrop> Ingmar kindly killed 3.5.5 to 3.5.7. So we don't have to worry about those anymore. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:04:05] <gentoofan23> uh, I swear I didn't see that on the agenda. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:04:08] * gentoofan23 hides +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:04:09] <zlin> so that's done. next! :> +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:05:04] <Philantrop> Well, I guess since zlin has a hot date with a rubber doll, we should move on to topic 4 - State of KDE4 in the tree. ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:05:24] <tgurr> Oo +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:05:34] <Philantrop> Ingmar, zlin: Let's hear - what's in the tree, when's 4.0.2 going in? :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:05:54] <zlin> well, as such the ebuilds in the tree are in a pretty good state. the deps need to be updated for compatibility with the newly introduced split qt-4.4 ebuilds and it needs to be bumped to 4.0.2 (only kdebase and games have been bumped thus far)... +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:05:54] <Philantrop> Ingmar, zlin: And: What's the state of KDE 4.0.2 by your findings? :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:06:07] <Ingmar> Well, some time this weekend, so far we've been busy with the newer Qt +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:06:40] <Philantrop> And the two of you did a great job with Qt, I'd say. :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:06:43] <zlin> honestly I haven't had a lot of time to use 4.0.2 yet.. but it'll come in the following days. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:06:48] <jmbsvicetto> Ingmar / zlin: Can I start working on kdenetwork? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:06:55] <zlin> jmbsvicetto: certainly +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:06:58] <Ingmar> jmbsvicetto: Yes, please :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:07:01] <jmbsvicetto> ok +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:07:07] <jmbsvicetto> Do you want me to look at anything else? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:07:14] <zlin> any help with bumping it will be appreciated +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:07:46] <gentoofan23> eh, I'd help but amd64 AT's need a stable system. :( +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:07:46] <Ingmar> Right, and that goes for bug reports too :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:07:51] <jmbsvicetto> I've updated my amd64 and x86 to 4.0.2 during the night, so I can start working on kdenetwork after the meeting +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:08:11] <gentoofan23> maybe I'll be able to do it, but don't expect much :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:08:27] <gentoofan23> s/do/help/ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:08:31] <Philantrop> As for zlin's plea for help: Anyone who wants to help should simply mail me his ssh public key. Interested users who can show they're able and willing to work on ebuilds are *explicitly* invited, too. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:09:29] <Philantrop> The bump to 4.0.2 is taking place in a git overlay again to allow for non-ebuild devs to participate, too, and it's a great way to become a full dev as Ingmar and zlin can verify. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:09:48] <Ingmar> :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:09:56] <zlin> and as we want berniyh to do too! :> +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:10:17] <deathwing00> poor ignorants... they don't know it yet... *g* +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:10:22] <gentoofan23> well, I might be able to help in places. I +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:10:29] <gentoofan23> I'll e-mail my key +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:10:46] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: Ok, thanks, we'll work out the details later. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:11:14] <Philantrop> Ok, anything else about KDE4 for now? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:12:03] <gentoofan23> just a question, what's the policy for things from playground/ going into gentoo-x86? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:12:26] <gentoofan23> various plasmoids come to mind. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:12:27] <zlin> we can discuss that later +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:12:29] <Ingmar> It'd be wrong +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:12:39] <Ingmar> playground is what upstream doesn't consider release worthy +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:12:45] <gentoofan23> alright. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:13:12] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: We could have it in the overlay, though. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:13:14] <Ingmar> Meaning that it may work, but they won't support it +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:13:18] <Ingmar> definitely +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:13:26] <zlin> we already have a lot of it in the overlay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:13:29] <gentoofan23> Ok. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:13:40] <Philantrop> Ingmar: They don't really support the other stuff either - see KDE 4.0.0. ;-> +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:13:56] <orzelf> do we ? which cpv ? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:14:02] <Philantrop> They just release it. Like Pandora did. ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:14:05] <Ingmar> Pfft, stop being a pansy and use 4.0.2 damnit +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:14:36] <Philantrop> Ok, anything else about KDE4 for now? (Final call.) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:14:41] <zlin> orzelf: 6-8 packages... +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:15:01] <Philantrop> orzelf: Please ask about that in #genkdesvn. The guys there will help you. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:15:05] <Ingmar> Most of the extragear things is really few work to package it btw +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:15:59] <zlin> oh, I might be confusing extragear and playground. maybe it's only a couple of packages then. ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:16:44] <Philantrop> Ok, topic 5 - Herd Testers: Current state and next steps. jmbsvicetto, you're the one in charge with respect to that. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:17:17] <jmbsvicetto> Well, I haven't done much yet. With the elections and a few other things, I was distracted +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:17:31] <jmbsvicetto> However, the only person that as contacted me about HT was gentoofan23 +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:17:40] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Yes, I know. You corrupted Neddy and four others. ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:17:47] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: Has anyone else talked with you about it? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:17:57] <Ingmar> Did you get berniyh's mail? :p +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:18:05] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: No, not so far. What we should +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:18:17] <gentoofan23> jmbsvicetto: yeah, I was accepted by Philantrop as well. Haven't been doing much though +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:18:17] <NeddySeagoon> hehe +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:18:23] <jmbsvicetto> berniyh: Did you sent me an email? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:18:27] <berniyh> Ingmar: mail? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:18:33] <berniyh> jmbsvicetto: not that i know of ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:18:35] <Philantrop> * do is flesh things a bit out, I think so that people know what we'd like to see done. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:18:38] <berniyh> *none +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:18:52] <jmbsvicetto> berniyh: ufff! :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:19:01] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Don't worry, berniyh is worse a slacker than you are. ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:19:11] <jmbsvicetto> hehe +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:19:20] <berniyh> jmbsvicetto: maybe he meant that viagra thing? *g* +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:19:32] <orzelf> Philantrop, zlin : ok ,thx. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:19:55] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: Agreed. We might also want to announce again that we're open for HTs and that people can help that way +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:10] <deathwing00> I can announce that on GMN +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:11] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: We might want to push something to gmn and gentoo-pr +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:18] <deathwing00> shall I take note? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:21] <jmbsvicetto> berniyh: :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:26] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Yes, good idea. We'll come to that in topic 8 - misc. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:32] <Philantrop> deathwing00: Yes, please. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:42] <jmbsvicetto> I can also "abuse" the forums for that ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:44] <gentoofan23> maybe have dberkholz put something on the front page? (as in not gmn) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:47] <deathwing00> Philantrop: noted :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:20:53] <jmbsvicetto> deathwing00: yes, please +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:21:04] <Philantrop> deathwing00, jmbsvicetto: Can you come up with a good text together? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:21:04] <jmbsvicetto> gentoofan23: that's gentoo-pr ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:21:11] <deathwing00> Philantrop: sure thing +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:21:16] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: I'll work with deathwing00 +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:21:18] <gentoofan23> jmbsvicetto: oh, k +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:21:26] <deathwing00> jmbsvicetto: right after the meeting would be a good timing for me +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:21:46] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto, deathwing00: Thanks, great! Once you're done, please mail it to kde@ so that we all can review it. Agreed? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:21:57] <deathwing00> Philantrop: agreed +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:21:58] <jmbsvicetto> deathwing00: If you could give me 30 minutes to have dinner, my stoamach would thank you ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:22:07] <deathwing00> jmbsvicetto: no problem +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:22:07] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: sure +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:22:23] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: next ? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:22:29] <Philantrop> Thanks! Anything else on HTs? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:22:50] <gentoofan23> other than the fact that I have no idea what to do, no ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:23:07] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: jmbsvicetto and deathwing00 will get you up to speed. *g* +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:23:11] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: I don't think so. Not at this moment, at least +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:23:18] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:23:34] <Philantrop> Ok, anything else on HTs? (Final call.) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:23:54] <Philantrop> Ok, let's move on to topic 6: +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:23:56] <Philantrop> 6. Lead election: +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:23:56] <Philantrop> During recent recruitments, DevRel informed us that the KDE project should have +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:23:56] <Philantrop> a lead as per GLEP39. Some herd members and other devs contacted Philantrop +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:23:56] <Philantrop> about it, too, and requested an election. A simple vote on IRC should be held. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:24:01] <deathwing00> jmbsvicetto: I have to do forums threads as well btw +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:24:09] <jmbsvicetto> ok +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:24:35] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: I think it's about time we elect some leads +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:25:14] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Yes, people asked me about that. As most of you know or can imagine, I volunteer. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:25:22] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: That can help, by letting other people know who to talk to +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:25:37] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: O'rly? ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:25:42] <deathwing00> haha +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:25:51] <jmbsvicetto> I second your nomination +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:26:02] <zlin> I even vote for Philantrop :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:26:12] <deathwing00> Philantrop++ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:26:13] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: I sugest we have 2 leads +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:26:14] <Ingmar> Same ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:26:27] <gentoofan23> jmbsvicetto: political power corrupting you? ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:26:49] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: Whether we want an operation and a strategic lead or just a lead and sub-lead, it can help having a failsafe contact +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:26:50] <zlin> jmbsvicetto: why? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:26:50] <deathwing00> I think jmbsvicetto means lead + sublead, as in former times +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:27:03] <jmbsvicetto> gentoofan23: :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:27:25] <jmbsvicetto> zlin: For the failsafe +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:27:27] <deathwing00> Philantrop: I think we concluded that we didn't want to split dutties (op + start), right? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:27:40] <Ingmar> I don't think we need more than one lead, tbh +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:27:52] <zlin> 'dutties (op + start)'? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:28:04] <deathwing00> op + strat* +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:28:10] <Ingmar> Some of us are more than active enough on irc, that there's always someone quick enough to answer KDE questions etc +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:28:14] <deathwing00> actually it's operation and technical +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:28:14] <jmbsvicetto> Ingmar: What? You just want a lead and an HT lead? :o ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:28:16] <zlin> ahh, and duties. ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:28:34] <deathwing00> zlin: my bad :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:28:58] <deathwing00> I propose to vote if we want to have a sublead first, then vote for candidates +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:29:03] <Philantrop> I'm with Ingmar on this - the students among us are around anyway. ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:29:45] <zlin> I'm with Ingmar on this too. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:29:46] <jmbsvicetto> zlin: The principle behind the strategic + operational lead, was to have someone concerned with the big picture and another person taking care of the day-to-day +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:14] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: We all take care of day-to-day stuff. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:16] <Ingmar> Yes, and my point is that day-to-day is more than taken care of +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:23] <jmbsvicetto> ok +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:35] <jmbsvicetto> If you're happy with just a lead, then I accept that +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:39] <Philantrop> Let's vote on the sub-lead, I'd say. Yay/Nay, please. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:45] <Ingmar> not that we can't improve in that, but I don't see a problem, and I don't see your suggestion as a solution ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:48] <Ingmar> Nay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:49] <jmbsvicetto> I've already seconded a nomination ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:49] <deathwing00> Yay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:51] * Philantrop votes nay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:30:54] <zlin> Nay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:02] <jmbsvicetto> Yay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:17] * cryos|laptop abstains +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:17] <jmbsvicetto> 2 Yay - 3 Nay ? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:22] <jmbsvicetto> ctennis: ^^ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:30] <deathwing00> masterdriverz: ^^ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:31] <deathwing00> hehe +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:34] * gentoofan23 isn't sure if he can vote... +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:42] <Ingmar> You can, if you say nay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:43] <deathwing00> gentoofan23: go on +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:47] <jmbsvicetto> Ingmar: lol +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:31:54] <gentoofan23> nay then +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:32:02] <zlin> haha +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:32:16] <deathwing00> I guess, nay passes then +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:32:21] <gentoofan23> honestly, that *was* my opinion :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:32:43] <Ingmar> :p +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:02] <deathwing00> so, do we want Philantrop as lead? Yay/Nay? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:04] <deathwing00> Yay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:05] <ctennis> yay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:09] <zlin> Yay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:10] <ctennis> yay above too +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:12] <cryos|laptop> yay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:13] <gentoofan23> yay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:15] <Ingmar> yay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:24] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: To do it the right way, we should open a nomination period and then have a voting period +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:39] <gentoofan23> why are we even voting if there is only one nominee? *g* +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:53] <jmbsvicetto> ok, if anyone feels comfortable with that, Yay +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:33:58] <deathwing00> gentoofan23: well, if over 50% goes nay, then we have to elect someone else +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:34:08] <Ingmar> If there're any other nominees, I'd suggest them to stand up :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:34:20] <Ingmar> Else Idon't see the point of an election, waste of time :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:34:29] <gentoofan23> oh, I guess I was likening it to a political election. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:34:29] <deathwing00> Ingmar: tell devrel +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:35:07] <deathwing00> Philantrop: the sublead thing is 3y - 4n +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:35:07] <Ingmar> So, other candidates? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:35:11] <zlin> this isn't a political election. we just need the whole team to be comfortable with the chosen lead +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:35:31] <Ingmar> zlin: right :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:35:54] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: This is another good reason to get gmn and gentoo-pr +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:36:05] <deathwing00> ? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:36:17] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: Let people know about our new lead and remind them of kde HTs +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:36:29] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: ^ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:36:35] <jmbsvicetto> bah, deathwing00 ^ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:36:35] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Yes, a sec. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:36:37] <deathwing00> Philantrop: u sure you don't want jmbsvicetto as your sublead? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:36:46] <deathwing00> jmbsvicetto: noted +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:36:51] <jmbsvicetto> deathwing00: Thanks, but I'm not interested +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:37:03] <jmbsvicetto> deathwing00: If we were to have a sub-lead, I had another in mind +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:37:25] <Philantrop> deathwing00: Well, let's keep things simple - everyone here can still make decisions so you're all sub-leads, IMHO. :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:37:35] <deathwing00> hehe +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:38:17] <Philantrop> For verification: sublead vote: 3 "yays", 3 "nays", one abstention, right? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:38:19] <deathwing00> Philantrop: can you give me the vote counts on sublead y/n/a and lead election y/n/a? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:38:23] <jmbsvicetto> wheeeeeeeee! I'm one of the 10+ gentoo-kde executive vps^D^D^Dsub-leads ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:38:24] <jeeves> dooooooork +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:38:37] <jmbsvicetto> jeeves: :P +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:38:53] <Philantrop> lead election: 7 yays, no nays, no abstention. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:39:04] <deathwing00> noted +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:39:17] <deathwing00> sublead is a deadlock then? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:39:44] <tgurr> let's make it a 3 yays and 4 nays then :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:40:04] <deathwing00> noted +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:40:08] <jmbsvicetto> ok +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:40:15] <deathwing00> tgurr: I need your vote on Philantrop :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:40:32] <tgurr> yay for this wulf thing ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:40:42] <deathwing00> done with that +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:41:02] <deathwing00> Philantrop: you have been elected as KDE lead, my congratulations +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:41:13] <deathwing00> Philantrop: copy-paste your speech here +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:41:14] <Philantrop> Thanks, guys. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:41:17] * deathwing00 grins +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:41:44] <Philantrop> I have no speech and I don't want to waste your time so just let me thank my grand-parents, my parents, my wife, my children, my pet... ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:41:54] <Philantrop> ;-)) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:41:58] <deathwing00> next issue +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:42:10] <Philantrop> Topic 7 - Review of the project page. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:42:28] <Philantrop> Apart from the lead thing - what do we need to update=? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:42:37] <deathwing00> kde-pr could take care of it if you want +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:42:40] <gentoofan23> lots of kde 3.5.7 stuff. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:42:47] <jmbsvicetto> stable version + testing version and status of kde4 +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:42:52] <gentoofan23> I have a cvs checkout here, I could update things to a semi-sane state +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:43:14] <Ingmar> That'd be nice +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:43:16] <zlin> kde-pr? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:43:36] <deathwing00> kde-pr: just invented subproject +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:43:47] <Philantrop> gentoofan23, deathwing00: How about the two of you do it together? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:43:49] <zlin> who volunteered? :> +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:44:12] <deathwing00> yeah, I am already asuming these duties +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:44:15] <gentoofan23> deathwing00: that means you are an indirect sublead :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:44:24] <deathwing00> gentoofan23: you mean a monkey +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:44:40] <deathwing00> hehe +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:44:44] <gentoofan23> deathwing00: well, the two can be related :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:44:55] * cryos|laptop has to go - duty calls +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:45:00] <cryos|laptop> Congrats Philantrop :D +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:45:02] <Philantrop> gentoofan23, deathwing00: Can I take that for a "yes"? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:45:07] <Ingmar> cryos|laptop: laters :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:45:12] <Philantrop> cryos|laptop: Thanks and thanks for having been here! +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:45:15] <gentoofan23> Philantrop: sure. ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:45:33] <deathwing00> Philantrop: affirmative, I'll take care of everything that needs to be spread to the public opinion everyone likes, with the help of everyone who likes +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:45:46] <Philantrop> gentoofan23, deathwing00: Can you do it till the next meeting (next month)? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:45:51] <deathwing00> cryos|laptop: thank you for sparing your time :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:46:18] <deathwing00> Philantrop: when is the next meeting? tomorrow? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:46:28] <Philantrop> deathwing00: next month. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:46:32] <gentoofan23> Philantrop: probably. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:46:38] <gentoofan23> I already am editing a few things. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:46:49] <deathwing00> will do +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:46:55] <gentoofan23> I'll send any patches to kde@ for review +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:47:04] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: What are we missing? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:47:21] <Philantrop> gentoofan23, deathwing00: Ok, thanks! :-) And, yes, please, mail it to kde@. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:47:25] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: I'm being poked to have dinner +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:47:44] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Missing? And poked by whom? :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:47:46] <deathwing00> jmbsvicetto: meet you here in 35 minutes +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:48:04] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: What other points? I'm at my parents house +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:48:14] <deathwing00> gentoofan23: can we have talk about it after the meeting? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:48:18] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Misc and next meeting date. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:48:29] <gentoofan23> deathwing00: uh, maybe. I might have to go after the meeting though +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:48:32] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Nothing very special, I think. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:48:37] <jmbsvicetto> ok +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:48:42] Quit orzelf has left this server (Remote closed the connection). +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:48:51] <jmbsvicetto> I'll try to poke in a few minutes +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:49:25] <Philantrop> deathwing00, gentoofan23: 3, 4, 8, 9 of kde.gentoo.org need to updated, I think. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:49:43] <deathwing00> Philantrop: noted +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:49:46] <gentoofan23> what do you mean by all those numbers? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:49:54] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: The headlines. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:50:01] <gentoofan23> oh, noted +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:50:16] <Philantrop> Ok, anything else about the project page? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:50:31] <zlin> and of course we are here if you need additional info to write it... :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:51:00] <gentoofan23> just a reminder to someone with cvs access to update proj/en/desktop/ with Philantrop as the Lead of the KDE project +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:51:12] <gentoofan23> should be a one-liner +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:51:20] <gentoofan23> zlin: noted, thanks! +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:51:42] <Philantrop> Anything else about the project page? (Final call.) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:51:56] <deathwing00> zlin: :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:52:11] <Philantrop> Topic 8 - Miscellaneous +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:52:14] <berniyh> gentoofan23: write a paragraph, then it looks like it is important ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:52:33] <Philantrop> Anyone with anything to bring up? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:53:18] <Philantrop> Ok, I have one point - as he hinted at earlier, deathwing00 kindly volunteered to help with spreading the news about the Gentoo KDE project. I'd like to take up this offer. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:53:25] <deathwing00> oh +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:53:25] <gentoofan23> oh, what about #5 in index.xml? what is the status on monthly meetings? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:53:28] <deathwing00> let me interrupt +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:54:01] <deathwing00> Philantrop: gentoofan23 made me notice that we could create a new section about meetings, with dates, sumary and logs +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:54:02] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: We'll resume that. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:54:33] <genstef> kde herd meeting? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:54:33] <deathwing00> summary* +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:54:33] <Philantrop> deathwing00: Yes, we should updated section 5. I'd like to have monthly meetings again. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:54:34] <genstef> ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:54:40] <Philantrop> genstef: Welcome! :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:54:41] <gentoofan23> right. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:54:45] <deathwing00> hi genstef +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:55:04] <deathwing00> Philantrop: noted :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:55:15] <Philantrop> Anything else for topic 8 - Miscellaneous? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:55:25] <gentoofan23> one thing to note is that the first saturday of every month is Bugday, not sure if that will make any conflicts. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:55:34] <eroyf> bugday is dead +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:55:47] <deathwing00> eroyf: don't blame me plz :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:55:52] <eroyf> not your fault +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:55:58] <Philantrop> gentoofan23: Oh, right, most people turned out to have no time during the weekend. What's best for everyone here? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:55:59] <eroyf> more my fault +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:56:13] <deathwing00> Philantrop: why not like today? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:56:16] <Philantrop> Is Thursday good for everyone? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:56:23] <gentoofan23> Well, it is probably best for me +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:56:29] <gentoofan23> Sundays are not very good +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:56:41] <gentoofan23> Thursday afternoons are good, usually +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:57:14] <Philantrop> I like Thursdays, too. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:57:38] <zlin> thursday is great +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:57:49] <Philantrop> Anyone *against* (!) choosing Thursday? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:57:53] <Ingmar> I prefer thursday over friday at least +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:58:13] * Philantrop hums "It's just another manic Thursday"... ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:58:18] <gentoofan23> anyone for Mondays? *g* +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:58:33] <Philantrop> Thursday it is. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:58:44] <deathwing00> PR: noted +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:58:52] <Philantrop> Second one, I'd say. Objections? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:59:07] <deathwing00> first thursday of every month +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:59:31] <Philantrop> Ok, first. Objections? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [21:59:42] <Philantrop> Perfect. *g* Anything else for topic 8 - Miscellaneous? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:07] <deathwing00> can we go now? there's so much to do... *g* +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:12] <genstef> btw, I am at Cebit tomorrow :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:17] Join zsz has joined this channel (n=zsz@sa-184-64.saturn.infonet.ee). +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:18] <Philantrop> Ok, guys, final topic - Date of the next meeting and closing. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:19] <gentoofan23> well, I'm out, later everyone +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:19] <genstef> eh on the weekend +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:21] <zlin> second thursday is council meetings. not sure if that's a pro or a con though. :> +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:24] <gentoofan23> Congrats, Philantrop +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:40] <Philantrop> zlin: Oh, right. Then it's really first. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:52] <deathwing00> yes +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:00:57] <genstef> gentoofan23: goodbye :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:01:04] <Philantrop> Last topic: Date of the next meeting and closing. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:01:11] Quit gentoofan23 has left this server (Client Quit). +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:01:16] <Philantrop> April, 3rd, 2008. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:01:30] * zlin acks +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:01:33] <deathwing00> noted +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:01:43] <brot> :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:01:44] <Philantrop> Anything else, guys? :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:01:50] Topic Ingmar sets the channel topic to "KDE 4.0 guide: http://tinyurl.com/27tbt5 | KDE herd meeting (april 3rd, 2008, 19:30 UTC, here). Agenda: http://tinyurl.com/2hhsvc | Problems upgrading to stable KDE 3.5.8? http://tinyurl.com/yqk4le | http://dev.gentoo.org/~masterdriverz/kde-help.txt | KDE Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/3bpdlv | If we're too quiet try #kde | KDE4 live ebuilds? -> "kde" overlay and #genkdesvn. | KDE 4 doesn't work with qt-4.4 *yet*". +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:01:51] <brot> yes. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:02:05] <brot> you missed to say that you all are doing a great job. +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:02:26] <ctennis> Hats off to the qt4 beta1 folks +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:02:38] <Philantrop> No, that's closing and that's what I'm doing now: Thanks for all your great work, guys! It's a great pleasure to work with you! :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:03:00] <berniyh> ctennis: you mean "heads off" ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:03:08] <ctennis> that too! +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:03:33] Quit mark_alec has left this server ("Konversation terminated!"). +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:03:35] <Philantrop> ctennis: And it's nice to have one of the grumpy old men back on IRC. ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:03:47] <deathwing00> :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:03:58] <ctennis> heh +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:04:07] <ctennis> I wish I had more time to play +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:04:28] <ctennis> but it seems like there's no problem in picking up my slack +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:04:34] <deathwing00> :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:04:34] <Philantrop> Ok, guys, this meeting is now officially closed! :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:04:46] * deathwing00 cheers at the new lead +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:04:56] <berniyh> ctennis: with qt-4.4? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:04:57] <zlin> ctennis: :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:04:58] <Philantrop> ctennis: Oh, you should have seen Ingmar and zlin swear about Qt's build system sometimes... ;-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:05:11] * berniyh nods +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:05:13] <zlin> we're still swearing.. ;) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:05:23] <Philantrop> I'll mail the log and summary to kde@. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:05:46] <deathwing00> Philantrop: I'll reuse it :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:06:04] <Philantrop> deathwing00: That was my dark intention. :-) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:06:21] <deathwing00> :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:07:04] <keytoaster> okay, zlin forced me to say that I vote for philantrop and against a sub-lead +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:07:37] <Philantrop> LOL +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:07:37] <keytoaster> err +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:07:44] <keytoaster> s/.*I vote/I vote/ +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:07:52] <deathwing00> keytoaster: noted +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:09:35] <brot> ehrm, when will the 4.0.2 ebuilds be in portage ? +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:09:44] <deathwing00> Philantrop: I'll post the most interesting things on our forums btw :) +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:09:49] * brot ducks +[Do Mär 6 2008] [22:10:09] <Philantrop> deathwing00: Thanks! :-) Please let me know the link. :-) diff --git a/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-summary-20080306.txt b/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-summary-20080306.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..3208285 --- /dev/null +++ b/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-summary-20080306.txt @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +Summary for the Gentoo KDE herd meeting on Thursday, 6th of March 2008 + +Participants: +caleb, cryos, deathwing00, genstef, ingmar, jmbsvicetto, keytoaster, philantrop, tgurr, zlin + +1. Bump to KDE 3.5.9: + +Apart from a few minor issues, the bump to KDE 3.5.9 went well. + +https://bugs.gentoo.org/211116 (mixing split and monolithic ebuilds) was +discussed. 3 participants didn't want the current behaviour changed, 3 were in +favour of changing it. Thus, it was agreed that Ingmar, who volunteered to +change it, should feel free to do it. + +2. KDE 3.5.8 in stable for 2008.0. + +Philantrop stated that KDE 3.5.8 will be in the 2008.0 release. + +3. Removal of KDE < 3.5.8 from the tree. + +gentoofan23 brought up the issue of the removal of older (specifically 3.5.7) +stable KDE versions from the tree after about 19 days and asked for a longer +period for users to upgrade to the newest stable version. +30 days were suggested as a rule of thumb and agreed upon by the majority of +the participants. + +4. State of KDE4 in the tree. + +Ingmar and zlin gave a short information about KDE4 in the tree. The ebuilds in +the tree are in a pretty good state. Their dependencies need to be updated for +compatibility with the newly introduced split Qt-4.4 ebuilds. + +KDE 4.0.2 is currently planned to be included in the tree during the weekend. +(p.masked) + +Anyone who wants to help with the bump to 4.0.2 should simply mail Philantrop +his ssh public key. Interested users who can show they're able and willing to +work on ebuilds are *explicitly* invited, too. +The bump to 4.0.2 is taking place in a git overlay again to allow for non-ebuild +devs to participate, too, and it's a great way to become a dev as Ingmar and +zlin can verify. + +5. Herd Testers: Current state and next steps. + +The HT stuff was delayed because of the trustee elections, etc. +jmbsvicetto and deathwing00 agreed to flesh out the work of a KDE Herd Tester +and publish information about it on the usual Gentoo news channels (pr@g.o, +GMN, Forums). + +6. Lead election: + +Having a sub-lead was discussed to ensure not to have a single point of failure +in case the lead disappears. In a vote, 3 herd members expressed their wish for +a sub-lead, 5 voted against it and there was one abstention. Thus, the notion +was rejected. + +deathwing00 initiated a vote for the lead. Philantrop was nominated and accepted +the nomination. +Philantrop was voted for by 9 of the participants, no votes against him and no +abstentions. Thus, Philantrop was elected the lead of the Gentoo KDE project. + +deathwing00 is going to inform the GMN, pr@g.o and post it on the forums. + +7. Review of the project page + +gentoofan23 and deathwing00 volunteered to update the project page with respect +to KDE versions and other information in the sections 3, 4, 8 and 9 till the +next meeting. + +8. Miscellaneous + +It was decided to re-instate the monthly meetings on the first Thursday each +month. + +9. Date of the next meeting and closing. + +The next KDE herd meeting takes place on Thursday, 3rd of April 2008. + +Philantrop thanked all the Gentoo KDE people for their great work and their +trust in him. |