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+[22:00:15] Meeting started by prometheanfire

+[22:00:31] Meeting chairs are: prometheanfire, alicef, dabbott, kensington, klondike, 

+[22:00:36] Current subject: roll call, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:00:39] <prometheanfire> o/

+[22:00:44] <dabbott> here

+[22:00:45] <alicef> o/

+[22:01:03] <prometheanfire> quorum met

+[22:01:09] <prometheanfire> kensington: klondike ?

+[22:01:17] <prometheanfire> iirc kensington said he may not be able to make it

+[22:02:18] <prometheanfire> will wait one more min before moving on

+[22:03:38] <prometheanfire> ok, moving on

+[22:03:51] Current subject: activity tracker, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:04:29] <prometheanfire> next item is to initiate the election, you ready to do that dabbott ?

+[22:04:42] <prometheanfire> it's for june, but it'd be good to have to community be aware that it's coming up

+[22:05:22] <dabbott> yes, we need to get a rough draft of the dates

+[22:05:40] <dabbott> first we prune the member list

+[22:05:52] <prometheanfire> procedure is doc'd here https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Elections#Procedure

+[22:06:01] <dabbott> we can vote on that later in this meeting

+[22:06:08] <prometheanfire> ok

+[22:06:16] <prometheanfire> next then

+[22:06:22] Current subject: alicef's items, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:06:38] LINK: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Meetings/2018/05#alicef [Foundation:Meetings/2018/05 - Gentoo Wiki]

+[22:06:39] <robbat2> (here, will comment re election process stuff later)

+[22:06:43] <alicef> same no changes

+[22:06:51] <prometheanfire> ok

+[22:07:03] <prometheanfire> robbat2: I'll be asking about gdpr progress soon :D

+[22:07:10] <prometheanfire> klondike: here?

+[22:07:37] Current subject: prometheanfire's items, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:07:59] <prometheanfire> no progress on the openssl stuff, that's more on the technical side of gentoo to solve (make stable 1.1)

+[22:08:59] <prometheanfire> gdpr is next, I didn't have time for this due to being gone for two weeks since the last meeting

+[22:09:05] <prometheanfire> but maybe infra did more?

+[22:09:07] <prometheanfire> jmbsvicetto: ping?

+[22:09:30] <prometheanfire> jmbsvicetto: robbat2, do we know what info we have, so we can move forward with control of it?

+[22:09:58] <robbat2> of devs, it's easy, LDAP has a lot, and they can get their own data back out of it

+[22:10:10] <robbat2> the other services are a different matter

+[22:10:23] <prometheanfire> do we have a list of those services?

+[22:10:30] <robbat2> that's the service catalog

+[22:10:55] <robbat2> what needs to happen with it is identify which services collect more than just IP

+[22:11:18] <prometheanfire> ip is considered personal if it can be tied back to the individual iirc

+[22:11:20] <robbat2> it needs somebody with a lot of time, which I don't have

+[22:11:30] <prometheanfire> don't think anyone has that time :|

+[22:13:02] <prometheanfire> ok, well, I guess we (foundation) need to ask infra formally for that info, since we do need to be in compliance

+[22:13:08] <robbat2> on the plus side, very few of our services go out of their way to deliberately collect stuff

+[22:13:17] <robbat2> forums collects the most

+[22:13:31] <robbat2> wiki & bugs collect just a little like name

+[22:13:43] <veremitz> I don't think it matters the how or why or how frequently .. :P

+[22:14:18] <prometheanfire> it's important that we move forward on this though

+[22:14:29] <veremitz> 25th May is teh deadline

+[22:14:32] <robbat2> there will be zero progress until somebody has time

+[22:14:36] <robbat2> deadline or not

+[22:14:48] <prometheanfire> yep

+[22:15:12] <veremitz> wait til the foundation gets sued again I guess ..

+[22:15:12] <veremitz> that'll sharpen a few wits

+[22:15:33] <veremitz> </stfu>

+[22:15:39] <robbat2> veremitz: we cannot be personally sued for it, we can have a fine levied by the EU body

+[22:15:52] <robbat2> personally = the foundation

+[22:15:55] <robbat2> but that's not sueing

+[22:16:04] <prometheanfire> fine can be quite high

+[22:16:11] <prometheanfire> it's in the millions

+[22:16:15] <robbat2> yes, i'm ware of the fine cap

+[22:16:22] <prometheanfire> 10% or millions, whichever is greater

+[22:16:24] <robbat2> greater of 20% revenue or 20M EUR or some

+[22:16:34] <prometheanfire> ah, 20

+[22:16:34] <robbat2> that's the maximum amount

+[22:16:44] <robbat2> that the fine is allowed to be

+[22:16:51] <robbat2> which does NOT mean every fine will be that

+[22:16:57] <prometheanfire> true

+[22:17:38] <robbat2> i'll tell people to poke at the service catalog, but that's the best I can do, due to nobody having time for this project

+[22:17:42] <robbat2> continue for the moment

+[22:17:44] <prometheanfire> sure

+[22:18:05] Current subject: community items, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:18:13] LINK: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Meetings/2018/05#Community_Items [Foundation:Meetings/2018/05 - Gentoo Wiki]

+[22:18:35] <dabbott> lets vote on the community items so they don't keep comming up each month

+[22:18:51] <dabbott> I vote 1 => 6 no 7 yes

+[22:19:14] <prometheanfire> ok, ya, I meant to clean those up

+[22:19:16] <robbat2> didn't we vote on a bunch last month

+[22:19:22] <dabbott> I can email eben if needed

+[22:20:29] <prometheanfire> dabbott: that'd be appreciated, I'd like the trustees to review before it's sent though

+[22:20:42] <dabbott> OK

+[22:21:03] <robbat2> i'm not a trustee anymore, but I believe #6 (reopen_nominations) is reasonable

+[22:21:24] <dabbott> robbat2: we had a conference call with him or was that someone else

+[22:21:32] <prometheanfire> I agree, I think it can be done next session though

+[22:21:35] <alicef> prometheanfire: ok

+[22:21:38] <dabbott> was that bradley

+[22:21:38] <prometheanfire> this election is too close

+[22:22:00] <robbat2> and for #3, infra is under the foundation already, just say fine

+[22:22:12] <robbat2> i don't think it's too close, and we don't need to amend bylaws to do it

+[22:22:53] <prometheanfire> ok, on 1, I don't think it's a good idea to be tied down

+[22:22:59] <prometheanfire> therefore, no for me on 1

+[22:23:26] <prometheanfire> formalizing the org structure (2) is also a no for now, given the other things we have in the air

+[22:23:55] <prometheanfire> control over infra is already done, so going to remove it, (no need for vote)

+[22:23:59] <prometheanfire> that's (3)

+[22:24:21] <prometheanfire> (4) trustees enforce CoC on council

+[22:25:10] <prometheanfire> I vote no, that's not our job, if something legal comes up we handle it because of that, not the CoC (which is not a legal doc)

+[22:25:25] <prometheanfire> (5) Trustees place user representitive on the council

+[22:25:39] <prometheanfire> no, that's not our job, it'd also mess up glep 39 a ton

+[22:25:46] <robbat2> comment re #4: everybody, incl. council & trustees should be respecting the CoC

+[22:26:07] <prometheanfire> robbat2: should be, but we are not the enforcement mechanism

+[22:26:08] <robbat2> you don't get a pass just because you're on some management body

+[22:26:20] <robbat2> the enforcement mechanism is comrel

+[22:26:31] <prometheanfire> yep

+[22:26:36] <prometheanfire> (6) Add reopen nominations option to ballot

+[22:26:55] <robbat2> there was a timeline posted for reopen_nominations that fit with the original timeline

+[22:27:13] <prometheanfire> if we can make the change now the I vote yes

+[22:27:29] <robbat2> condense the original process from 2 months to 6 weeks, and use the extra 2 weeks for a 2nd round if needed

+[22:27:33] <prometheanfire> even if not I vote yes, it'll simply be implimented as soon as possible

+[22:28:07] <prometheanfire> (7) contact sflc, yes (dabbott is doing it)

+[22:28:10] <robbat2> can we approve it and say exact timeline to be announced, but will keep to the approximate original schedule

+[22:28:14] <dabbott> please send an email to trustees with the election time line for this election

+[22:28:26] <dabbott> so I can get started

+[22:28:39] <robbat2> mgorny: can you talk to me for the timeline to reopen_noms later?

+[22:28:54] <robbat2> comment re scrubbing membership lists: i have my tooling almost done for the csv->yaml change

+[22:29:01] <dabbott> needs to be done for the AGM

+[22:29:05] <robbat2> it does show clearly we don't have many changes in teh list

+[22:29:32] <prometheanfire> we good to move on?  robbat2 dabbott and mgorny will work on the move to the new election scheme

+[22:29:44] Current subject: infra update, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:29:55] <prometheanfire> robbat2: can you give that ( jmbsvicetto seems absent )

+[22:30:25] <robbat2> there was some hardware death due to old-age this past month

+[22:30:42] <robbat2> some of stuff we own, others of sponsor-owned

+[22:30:59] <robbat2> the original dipper died, we moved the content to blackcap (and renamed)

+[22:31:05] <robbat2> but the replacement was the same age

+[22:31:16] <robbat2> dipper runs the core rsync/distfiles generation

+[22:31:31] <robbat2> sometime in the future it will need to move

+[22:31:42] <robbat2> possibly to newly purchased hardware

+[22:31:54] <robbat2> it's not suited for the present VM hosting at OSL

+[22:32:10] <robbat2> because it's IO&CPU-heavy, and we don't want it co-located with untrusted VMs

+[22:32:34] <robbat2> might write a proposal to buy a pair of hypervisors for trusted VMs, to be at OSL

+[22:32:52] <dabbott> Now is the time to upgrade while we have the funds 

+[22:32:53] <robbat2> would incl. a 10Gbit switch

+[22:33:11] <prometheanfire> ok

+[22:34:07] Current subject: open bugs, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:34:54] <prometheanfire> I don't see much

+[22:35:19] <robbat2> to reduce the bus factor, is anybody among present trustees interested in learning at least some of the accounting/treasurer stuff?

+[22:35:44] <robbat2> i'd be teaching you as I taught zlg

+[22:35:50] <prometheanfire> if I wasn't planning wedding stuff I would

+[22:35:51] <robbat2> in return for help keeping it up to date

+[22:35:58] <prometheanfire> I'd say to ask me in a year :|

+[22:36:12] <robbat2> this offer also open to non-trustees who might be considering running next term

+[22:36:13] <dabbott> I could do it if alicef wants to take secretary duties

+[22:36:26] <alicef> dabbott: yes

+[22:37:09] <robbat2> (i'll take more than one person if that presents itself)

+[22:38:00] <dabbott> robbat2: I don't have a background in accounting but could be used to keep stuff up to date untill we get someone more qualified 

+[22:38:05] <robbat2> comments re financials, so it goes into minutes

+[22:38:45] <robbat2> i haven't had time to spend on it since last month, but the exchange stuff is mostly done, what remains is depreciation & value of donated services

+[22:38:51] <robbat2> plus data entry for this most recent year

+[22:39:23] <prometheanfire> ok

+[22:39:37] Current subject: new business, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:39:39] <dabbott> tbh I just don't have much time, I work alot

+[22:39:55] <dabbott> I would be afraid i would fall behind

+[22:40:05] <prometheanfire> foundation removal of members

+[22:40:14] LINK: https://bugs.gentoo.org/653904 [653904 – Foundation member removal candidates (based on 2016+2017 elections)]

+[22:40:15] <robbat2> (i have new business)

+[22:40:32] <dabbott> mgornys list looks good, what ablut zlg

+[22:40:40] <robbat2> that list isn't accurate

+[22:40:50] <robbat2> the yaml will show more detail later

+[22:41:13] <prometheanfire> ya, I assume you are going to be helping with that then?

+[22:41:17] <robbat2> yes

+[22:41:25] <dabbott> robbat2: thanks

+[22:42:30] Current subject: council requests our vote on https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/message/b985f7c13359f521c451322dae59ebf7, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:43:22] <prometheanfire> I don't think we need to vote, but I think it's an ok change

+[22:43:50] <robbat2> unofficial +1 for it from me

+[22:44:01] <dabbott> fine by me

+[22:44:52] <prometheanfire> dilfridge: there's your ack

+[22:45:06] Current subject: copyright assignment, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:45:11] LINK: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/message/45d2eafb4416db744ab1e0af708534c5 [Re: [gentoo-nfp] Trustee meeting Meetings&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05 agenda - gentoo-nfp - Gentoo Mailing List Archives]

+[22:46:20] <dabbott> alicef: you a member of the copyright team

+[22:46:35] <dabbott> I defer to the copyright team

+[22:47:48] <prometheanfire> I think question 'a' would need to counsult with a lawyer

+[22:47:52] <alicef> i don't remeber to have signed anything in 2003/2004 ...

+[22:48:16] <robbat2> unofficial answer as part of the people working on that glep:

+[22:48:22] <prometheanfire> successor to the GTI is hard

+[22:48:33] <robbat2> 1. we ARE the assignee of GTI

+[22:48:52] <robbat2> 1.1. but the dates of the documents mean some future obligations may still exist

+[22:49:14] <robbat2> 1.2. the release was specifically future obligations, needs review for current/past obligations

+[22:49:48] <robbat2> 2. I had proposed a futhur general release from the Foundation

+[22:49:51] <alicef> it also say that as been nullified

+[22:50:03] <robbat2> 2.1. mostly as CYA for parts that wern't missed

+[22:50:15] <robbat2> 2.2. but to be rolled towards the new optional FLA work

+[22:50:46] <prometheanfire> robbat2: yep, that's my understanding, I guess we'll work with the copyright team (ulm, alicef) on this

+[22:51:40] <alicef> ok

+[22:52:19] <prometheanfire> so I suppose the answer there is that work is ongoing

+[22:52:46] <robbat2> i'd ask that somebody draft the further release, and post to the lists for review

+[22:53:03] <robbat2> to collect that input, and take it to an IP lawyer for review

+[22:53:08] <robbat2> after community review

+[22:53:15] <prometheanfire> sure

+[22:53:34] <prometheanfire> it does sound like that's the right way forward given the timeline

+[22:54:04] <prometheanfire> ok, taking that

+[22:54:26] Current subject: date of next meeting, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:54:29] <prometheanfire> Saturday, June 16 2018 22:00 UTC ?

+[22:54:38] <robbat2> i have my new business stuff still

+[22:54:42] <robbat2> when you're ready for it

+[22:54:42] <prometheanfire> oh, right

+[22:54:50] <prometheanfire> open floor for that

+[22:54:51] <robbat2> i will be on a plane during that next meeting

+[22:54:52] <prometheanfire> which is next

+[22:55:17] <dabbott> June 16 is ok here

+[22:55:22] <prometheanfire> I'm fine moving it a week later or earlier

+[22:55:38] <robbat2> no

+[22:55:43] <robbat2> later is better

+[22:55:45] <robbat2> not earlier

+[22:55:51] <robbat2> but I realise it impacts recording date

+[22:55:55] <robbat2> because that's next meeting

+[22:56:26] <dabbott> June 23 is ok here

+[22:56:52] <prometheanfire> alicef: june 23 good for you?

+[22:56:57] <alicef> yes

+[22:57:00] <prometheanfire> ok

+[22:57:05] <prometheanfire> june 23 it is

+[22:57:11] Current subject: open floor, (set by prometheanfire)

+[22:57:14] <prometheanfire> robbat2: you're up

+[22:57:48] <robbat2> forums mods were approached, informally by email, by law enforcement

+[22:57:53] <robbat2> with a request for user information

+[22:58:06] <robbat2> this request was passed on to infra/trustees

+[22:58:26] <robbat2> i believe this is the first such request that we've had

+[22:59:14] <robbat2> we need to draft a response that a formal request (subpeona, warrant) is required for user info

+[22:59:27] <robbat2> and be ready to recieve that formal request

+[22:59:33] <robbat2> it may come with a data preservation order

+[23:00:13] <robbat2> a number of large tech firms have good guides for law enforcement on that

+[23:00:19] <robbat2> and I think we should crib heavily

+[23:00:36] <robbat2> unless we can find an even more closely fitting documetn for open source orgs

+[23:00:48] <prometheanfire> sounds good

+[23:00:57] <robbat2> this should be foundation writing the policy doc here

+[23:00:58] <robbat2> not infra

+[23:01:24] <prometheanfire> agreed

+[23:01:48] <veremitz> EBUSFACTOR :/

+[23:01:58] <prometheanfire> I'll submit a doc by next meeting

+[23:02:15] <dabbott> prometheanfire: thanks

+[23:02:19] <robbat2> the LE agent should have a response not later than end of next week

+[23:02:34] <prometheanfire> neat

+[23:02:42] <robbat2> i shared some potential wording out of band for whomever is going to write that

+[23:02:49] <robbat2> i'll happily review that, but don't have time to write it

+[23:02:59] <prometheanfire> neither do I really

+[23:03:07] <prometheanfire> but what choice do I have :|

+[23:04:28] <prometheanfire> ok, anyone have anything else?

+[23:04:38] <dabbott> robbat2: that was homeland security asking

+[23:05:21] <robbat2> i was not specifying which agency

+[23:05:40] <robbat2> it's a almalgamated mess

+[23:05:51] <robbat2> (the US federal LE orgs)

+[23:06:33] <prometheanfire> yep

+[23:06:53] Current subject: ending, (set by prometheanfire)

+[23:07:01] <prometheanfire> dabbott: you are posting the logs/minutes

+[23:07:09] <dabbott> got it

+[23:07:12] <prometheanfire> alicef: you'll update the motions

+[23:07:20] <robbat2> request re logs

+[23:07:23] <prometheanfire> dabbott: no emails to send, this time

+[23:07:24] <alicef> yes

+[23:07:35] <robbat2> the old logs had terrible file naming

+[23:07:36] <prometheanfire> I'll update the agenda (done) and topic

+[23:07:47] <robbat2> can you please start using ISO date naming for files?

+[23:07:52] <robbat2> and go back to fix old logs?

+[23:07:59] <prometheanfire> I'd like that too

+[23:08:05] <robbat2> i'll help dig up missing old logs as well if you find the dates of meetings for me

+[23:08:08] <dilfridge> how un-american

+[23:08:24] <robbat2> i have an almost complete history of this channel since 2008/01/11

+[23:08:31] Meeting ended by prometheanfire, total meeting length 4096 seconds